Cliffe Road, South Croydon CR2. March 2025

Croydon bathroom flat roof condensation A roof with no ventilation, rotting from below

Matt's Croydon bathroom roof looked fine outside, but the plywood under it was swelling and soft. Another roofer missed the cause: condensation, not rain.

Where
Cliffe Road, South Croydon CR2
Room below
A bathroom
Cause
Condensation in a cold roof

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Rotten boarding and firrings stripped out of a cold flat roof over a bathroom in Croydon, with insulation showing between the joists
Cold roof deck rotted from below, before the warm roof went on
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  • The deck stripped back to the joists
  • Firrings rotted from below

"If the roof's not leaking, where is all the water coming from?"

That was Matt's question. The flat roof over his bathroom had no obvious leaks and had recently been looked at by another company, but inside, the plywood under the roof was swelling, softening and showing moisture damage.

Condensation, not rain

We ruled out rain quickly: the felt was still doing its job. The real problem was the design. The roof was a cold roof, with the insulation below the plywood and no ventilation between the joists, so warm, steamy air from the shower was condensing on the cold underside of the deck and soaking into it.

Day after day the timber soaked it up. When we stripped it back, the boarding and the firrings that give a flat roof its fall had rotted through from below, while the felt on top still looked sound.

The fix: a warm roof

We took the whole build-up off, down to the joists, and rebuilt it as a warm roof: a new plywood deck, rigid insulation boards on top of it, and a new flat roof covering. With the insulation above the deck, the roof needs no ventilation. We went back after the main day to finish the trims.

"A 'cold roof' construction with no through ventilation, shower room below, rising hot air has destroyed the boarding and furring pieces."

Steve Ball, on this job

"John and Steve were a pleasure to deal with from start to finish. They quoted the job and were quickly able to arrange the work without fuss. We had a complex issue with a severely damaged felt-covered flat roof above our bathroom, and they were able to diagnose the issue and repair it for us with a high-quality finish. They were friendly, didn't muck us around, and even came back after the main day of work to do a few small finishing touches. We nearly went with another company that hadn't spotted the real cause, we're so glad we didn't. We'll definitely consider using them again!"

Matt, Croydon

Warm roof or cold roof? It's where most flat roof rot starts.

The problem Steve sees more than any other is poor ventilation on flat roofs. A cold roof keeps its insulation below the deck, so it needs air moving through the void, whatever room is underneath. Leave that out and the warm, damp air from the house rises, meets the cold underside of the boards, and condenses there. Over a shower room it happens faster, but it happens over a bedroom too.

The fix is usually a warm roof: the insulation goes on top of the deck, so the timber stays warm and the roof needs no ventilation at all.

"Technical knowledge is very important to ensure a long lasting installation is delivered."

Steve Ball, on a Croydon bathroom roof
Rotten boarding and firrings stripped out of a cold flat roof over a bathroom in Croydon, with insulation showing between the joists
What that looks like underneath. A cold roof over a Croydon bathroom, stripped back: the boarding and firrings had rotted from below, not from rain.

Cold roof

Needs air moving through it. Easy to get wrong.
Cold flat roof in section: waterproofing on the deck, a ventilated void, insulation between the joists, a ceiling, and warm moist air rising from the room below to condense under the deck Waterproofing 1 Deck boards, cold underneath 2 Void: air must move through it 3 Insulation between the joists 4 Ceiling 5 Warm, moist air from a shower 6 condenses under the deck, every day
  1. Waterproofing
  2. Deck boards, cold underneath
  3. Void: air must move through it
  4. Insulation between the joists
  5. Ceiling
  6. Warm, moist air from a shower

Warm roof

No void, no vents. What we fit.
Warm flat roof in section: waterproofing on rigid insulation board, a vapour control layer, then the deck on the joists, with the ceiling below Waterproofing 1 Rigid insulation board, on top 2 Vapour control layer 3 Deck boards, kept warm 4 Ceiling 5
  1. Waterproofing
  2. Rigid insulation board, on top
  3. Vapour control layer
  4. Deck boards, kept warm
  5. Ceiling
The timber stays above dew point, so nothing condenses on it.

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